Predictable Coffee, Your Mind, and Your Brain with Dr. Ash Moreland

What if your brain isn’t the problem—your code is? We sit down with Dr. Ash Morland to unpack the eye-opening difference between brain and mind, and why that single shift can break the ceiling on therapy, productivity, and peace. Starting with something as simple as coffee, we trace how predictability creates safety signals for the nervous system, then step into a live somatic exercise that turns theory into felt experience. You’ll hear how a single thought can tense a body, how love can melt that tension in seconds, and why those sensations are not defects to crush but messages to decode.

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Ash takes us deeper into the “fear files” that run beneath chronic anxiety—rejection, not-enoughness, judgment, failure—and shows how they quietly script survival behaviors: picking fights to create distance, hiding in busyness, or shrinking to stay acceptable. We talk dopamine, oxytocin, and neuroplasticity in plain language, then challenge a common habit in self-help: trying to heal relational wounds in isolation. Ash explains why groups often rewire faster than solo work, and when targeted one-on-one can resolve single-event trauma quickly. It’s science with a soul, grounded in lived stories and practical steps.

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Faith threads through everything we explore. Ash shares how she ditched a flawless keynote after hearing “burn it down,” letting go of performance to partner with God. That surrender reframed anxiety as an invitation back to identity and alignment. If you’ve felt stuck at the limits of talk therapy, worn out by perfection, or unsure how to “rewire,” this conversation offers a clear map: learn your body’s signals, change the inputs your mind feeds your brain, practice co-regulation in safe community, and begin the brave work of unbecoming who you had to be so you can become who you are.

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Transcript

Coffee, Consistency, And The Nervous System

Dave Quak 0:00

Well, welcome to Sumber Souls. Today is gonna be fun because I am here with Dr. Ash Morland. Dr. Ash or my friend Ash, how are you doing today?

SPEAKER_00 0:09

I'm awesome, Dave. How are you doing?

Dave Quak 0:11

I'm going good, I've got a coffee. Um, what you might not see from the cup is that inside this is instant coffee ash. I um have been quite negligent in managing my stimulant intake as a person with bipolar, and I have to start cutting a lot back, so I'm starting with caffeine. Um I've got my special cup, but you might not see this. It's got an elephant on it, and it's got significance. But I don't know if it's good significance, it could be like kind of like insulting significance, because Jess went to a shop and there was a sale on all these animal, you know, like mugs, and she chose one for all of the members of the family. So there were all these majestic animals like lions and eagles and funny ones like monkeys or whatever else, and she got me an elephant and didn't really qualify why. So maybe that's something we can get into later.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

Well, I'm gonna absolutely completely annihilate any street cred that I might have and tell you that I drink instant coffee every day.

Dave Quak 1:12

Every day?

SPEAKER_00 1:13

Every day by choice. Oh, it's are you like fasting? Honestly, it's it's just easy. It's easy, it's fast, it's cheap. Yeah.

Dave Quak 1:24

It does function. I mean, it's got the caffeine in it, so I guess there's that side of things.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

And it's really predictable. We're gonna talk a lot today about the nervous system. And my I I I don't particularly love an instant coffee, like it might be a three out of ten, but it's a consistent three, and consistency equals safety to the nervous system. So when we when we can accurately predict something, that prediction produces dopamine.

SPEAKER_02 1:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:51

And so I say all the time, I also love 7-Eleven coffees because$2.50 and it's exactly the same 100% of the time. Whereas you can go to, I live in Melbourne, so it's amazing coffee in Melbourne, but it's hit and miss. So you could go to the same cafe and get a 10 out of 10 coffee one day, but then it's a seven the next. And that unpredictability and hit and miss nature is like a deal breaker to my nervous system.

Dave Quak 2:16

Oh, I bet. And as especially when they're$7.50 for each one, the good one or the bad one.

SPEAKER_00 2:21

Exactly. It's a gamble.

Dave Quak 2:23

Oh man.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

I'm impulsive and I like taking risks, and I'm a highly excitable person, but I also really, really like consistency and I don't like to gamble on my coffee at the expense of$7.50 a cup.

Brain vs Mind: Hardware And Software

Dave Quak 2:37

I mean, I get it. Like, I know the coffee side of things important. We get the coffee side of things, but the nervous system, right? You've been hacking away at figuring out the nervous system for a really long time.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

Yeah.

Dave Quak 2:48

You know, so just for anyone listening, like, you know, you're not new to this. Like, you did your PhD in this, didn't you? Tell us about that.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

Yeah, so my PhD was in neuroplasticity. I had a really long history of mental health challenges, and I I really just thought, you know what? I'd done 20 years of talk therapy, I'd done all the meds and all that sort of stuff. And I just thought, if I can rewire the brain, then surely I can fix this. And it actually gave me more questions than answers in many ways. Um, but it did give me some really, really big insights. As I was doing my PhD in neuroplasticity, one of the things was the revelation that the brain and the mind are not the same thing. And I know um there are many, many, many highly influential Christians out there who use Romans 12.2 and the science of neuroplasticity as evidence. Oh, look, science is proving neuroplasticity. See, neuroplasticity is the evidence for what the Bible's saying in Romans 12.2. But what they're missing is that actually the mind and the brain are not the same thing. The brain is like the hardware, but the mind is the software, it's the it's the programs, it's the code. And the brain is physical. We can measure it, it only exists here and now. But our mind is metaphysical. So our mind is actually more related to our soul. And so, as a neuroscientist, and I also want to be transparent here, that when I was doing my PhD, I was not a Christian. So I used to joke that science was my religion, that I was married to science, that I very, very much just felt safe in what I could prove and what I could measure and what I could see. So I didn't have a whole lot of frame of reference of the metaphysical aspects of life and the spiritual aspects of life. But even as a non-Christian obsessed with tangible evidence in the physical realm, the revelation that the mind and the brain are not the same thing completely changed my life. Because then I went, this is why we can control every single component or characteristic or element of a research study, and people will have completely different results. Some people go up, some people go down, some people have no change. Why? And it's not just genetics, like we can control to an insane level. Um why? And so started to deep dive into that and explore that a whole lot more. And there is another element to my PhD that it taught me, but maybe we can chat about that later if you want to dig into it.

Dave Quak 5:27

I know sometimes people do a PhD and it ends up just sitting on the shelf, but you then started lecturing on this stuff at uni super young, like you're writing it early, hey.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

No, I was 16 when I when I started uni, so I was lecturing by the time I was 20.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

And um I would have had my PhD by about 23, but then I had two babies, which and took a full-time job as well. So I delayed that. I just sort of chipped away at it, um, eventually graduated from that. I think I finished it in 2025 or thereabouts, 24, 25. Um, but yeah, so I started teaching, I took a real interest in the holistic space again, because I had been really, I wouldn't say let down by Western medicine, but it was incomplete. Like, I don't know if anyone else can relate to this, but I felt like I went, and there were some areas where I definitely saw progress, and progress when you're coming from rock bottom is very encouraging.

Dave Quak 6:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is great.

Hitting Therapy Ceilings And Seeking More

SPEAKER_00 6:36

Yes, and then there was a very, very tangible ceiling to that progress. And when I kept trying harder and trying harder and trying harder, and see I I lost count, Dave, of how many therapists I saw. I saw people in three different states of Australia. Um, and also having to restart a therapeutic relationship again and again and again, telling them the whole story. I actually think repeating that story embedded it into my identity, like this is who I am, because that's my story.

Dave Quak 7:11

Yeah, that's pretty big.

SPEAKER_00 7:13

It was weird.

Dave Quak 7:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:14

Um, anyway, so hitting that ceiling just made me go, there has to be more to it than this. Like, I'm not willing to accept this. And I actually got to the point where I went, if this is life, I don't want it. I can't do this. I I don't want this.

Dave Quak 7:29

Yeah, because it feels like a life sentence, hey, like if you're not gonna get progress, if you're not gonna get growth or set free, is it just a matter of how many months or years till the next time we start again?

SPEAKER_00 7:39

Yeah, exactly. It's it's pretty big.

Dave Quak 7:42

So what what instead? Do you know what I mean? Like, what does what does it look like? You know, you talked before about the difference between the brain and the mind and also our nervous systems and all that stuff. I still find all of it so confusing. Firstly, because I failed science at high school, so I don't quite know where the parts are. Yeah. And then also why that matters so much today when it comes to like rewiring our thinking and brain and all that.

SPEAKER_00 8:07

Yeah, it's such a good point. Look, the easiest way to tell you is to show you.

SPEAKER_02 8:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

So if you close your eyes, and I invite anyone, if you're driving, please don't close your eyes closed. Let's have some wisdom here.

SPEAKER_02 8:24

I'll close mine.

Guided Somatic Exercise And Debrief

SPEAKER_00 8:26

But if you are listening, play along. If you close your eyes and just really ground yourself into the moment, take a nice deep breath in through the nose, out through the mouth, and let your shoulders drop. Just feel really supported by the chair or the surface beneath you. And then allow your mind to go to something either in the past or in the future that is worrying you or that scared you or that triggered you, that annoyed you. Really go there. Allow your mind to really think about it, to really resonate on it, and just notice what you notice in your body. Even if you notice nothing, that's data. But notice what you notice, and I want you to notice sensations. Like, is there tension, is there heat, is there constriction, is there uh tingling, is there like what are you noticing and where? Is it in the throat? Is it behind the eyes? Is it in the tummy? If you were to put a colour to it, what's the first colour that comes to your mind without overthinking it, just the very first thing that comes to your mind. And then taking another nice deep breath in through the nose, and out through the mouth. And this time allow your mind to go to a time, a place, a space where you felt deeply loved and connected. There was joy, it might just be the laughter of your kids. It might be this morning snuggling a loved one just in the you know, the quiet early moments of the morning. It might be the last time you were really immersed and swept up in worship. Where there was your love present joy. What are the things that you feel? What do you feel? And in your own time, you can take another deep breath in through the nose and out through the mouth, and as you breathe out, just gently open your eyes and come back to the room. And knowing that there is no wrong answer here, everything is just data. But there are some consistencies that I see. And so, do you want to share what came up in your body? Or you don't have to say the story or the scenario or where you went or anything like that. I don't need to know that. But what did you notice in your body?

Dave Quak 11:33

Yeah, so for at the start, I had just sort of like a pretty achy, aggressive sort of stomach pain. And then you mentioned, you know, what colour do you see? And it was like an orange, but not like a good orange like the sun, like a bile orange, like a gross orange. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:29

Yeah. And what about for the next one where there was love, there was connection?

Dave Quak 12:35

Interestingly, the the stomach pain sort of thing left. Yep. And it was just replaced by like a nothingness. So it didn't get a nice feeling, it was just a nothing feeling. Yes. And that light blue ice kind of colour, you know, like ice, but like a glacier sort of thing.

Fear Files, Survival Behaviors, And Signals

SPEAKER_00 12:52

Yeah. Awesome. That's amazing. And so this is really common, right? So um the answers that I usually hear is when our um our mind goes either back to a painful experience or forward to something that hasn't even happened yet, but that we're worried about. That signals to our brain that there is something that's happening in the here and now. It's not. You were still in the same chair the entire time, right? But your brain is responsible for contracting muscles, for changing your heart rate, for regulating your body temperature. Like all of these physical flesh meat suit functions are driven by the brain, which is why neuroscientists like me got so excited going, oh my gosh, well, if we want to change how the body's functioning, then we need to rewire the brain, which logically sounds like so much sense. However, what I just showed you is that actually your brain was still in the same head in the same moment with the flesh meat suit. It was simply responding to the code and the input in which we gave it. And so your mind, I could have asked you to go and imagine your sixth birthday. Now, for some people, they had an amazing sixth birthday where they were loved, they were spoiled, they were seen, they were celebrated, and they would have felt these expansive, chest-opening sensations, and they would have felt emotions of like joy and happiness and love and gratitude. But then if someone else had a horrible sixth birthday where no one showed up and people forgot, and their, I don't know, dad got cranky or whatever, their body is going to respond in the the threat-based way, which is going to be constriction. Often we see things like this shoulders come up, our chest closes. Why? Because we're guarding, we're protecting and guarding. We have these postures in our body, our heart rate will start to increase. Why? Because we need to pump more blood to evade a threat. It's going to send blood flow to our limbs, which is moving blood away from our belly, which is why we often have um sensations and stuff happening in our tummy. And so our body is extremely intuitive. And when, like obviously, I am Christian now, and when I think about how God created our body and how we've been kind of indoctrinated to demonize these things that are simply signals. Right. So if I I experienced suffocating anxiety for so many years and I was taught that that was a problem, that that was a bad thing, and it was demonized, like it was something I had to fix. But actually, God created our nervous system and created our body to be intuitive and to communicate with us and to have relationships with us. And so if I'm getting those signals and I'm noticing that when I walk into a room with people who are who have authority, my shoulders come up and my heart starts racing and my belly feels a bit sick. Well, my body's communicating with me in that moment. And it's communicating something based on some code that's existing in my mind. And that code can be tied up to emotions. So it might be fear is a really common one. So anxiety is most, I talk about fear files. I have an anxiety-specific program specifically that leads people through understanding what their fear files are. It might be fear of rejection, fear of not being good enough, fear of judgment, fear of missing out, fear of failing, fear of letting people down. If those fears are coded into our mind, then our mind is going to be instructing the brain to look for anything that might result in one of those things that we are perceiving as a threat.

SPEAKER_02 16:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

And so that means that, you know, if I have some relational wounding and I enter into a new relationship, I might be super functional, I might have an amazing job, I might be a great parent. But if I enter into a relationship and there is a potential that that person might reject me, my body is going to start sending me signals to go, this feels really unsafe. This feels really threatening.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:15

But logically we know that it's not. Logically, we know that we want to have a healthy relationship. We want to feel love. We want to love someone else and receive love back. But if our mind has had, well, if we have had past experiences where love was painful, maybe we learned that love just leaves. Maybe we learned that love condemns or judges or is unkind and impatient and hurtful. Then when we're presented with this invitation to experience love that we so desperately want, our mind goes, Oh, last time we did that, that really hurt. Let's not do that again. And so it's going to start telling our brain threat, threat, threat, threat, which A, somatically in our body, is going to give us signals. But B, it's also going to drive our behaviors, which will be survival behaviors. So we might pick a fight with someone. Because if we pick a fight, it creates distance. And if there's distance, then we're safe. Our hearts being guarded.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:15

We might make ourselves so busy with work and build this empire of a business and lie to ourselves that we're doing it for our family while our family are being further and further distanced, going, we don't want the millions of dollars, we just want you. You know, and so it can play out in lots of different survival behaviors. But my job is to look at the tangible evidence that we see, both in the the lived experience and sensations in the body, but also the patterns of behavior, the relational dynamics, the way that we show up, when we speak up, when we're quiet, what we what our ambitions are, what what our drives are, so that we can understand is this coming from a place of safety, from overflow, from God's innate design, or is this coming from a space of fear and having to prove ourselves and pain and trauma from our past or even patterns and programs from society or whatever?

Dave Quak 19:11

I'm glad humans like you exist in the world, Ash, because I lean into my inner Homer Simpson a bit where I don't know if you remember that um episode his brain's giving giving him grief and he goes, Shut up, brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-tip. And I'm like, that's what I want to do. Cause I I get I I guess I I get tired I don't know what the I don't know, I get something worn out, fatigued, something at these things coming up so much that I just wish there was some sort of stab the brain with a stick thing and it'd be done. Yeah, but it doesn't it does like even before when you said you know how your anxieties are part of the design, like I'm like, I get it. I just wish it wasn't the case, but it is, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

And it's really like I have to be so careful, Dave, because I don't want people to hear what I'm not saying. I'm not saying God gave us anxiety.

Dave Quak 20:04

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 20:04

What I'm saying is that God gave us an intuitive nervous system, He gave us a mind, a soul that is made in the likeness and image of Him.

SPEAKER_02 20:14

Yeah.

Surrendering Performance And Listening To God

SPEAKER_00 20:14

And if we didn't have alarm bells and signals to actually bring to our awareness where we're actually coming out of alignment with His divine plan and His divine blueprint for our identity, for our calling, for our purpose, our mission, our impact, could you imagine how off track we would be? Oh Like I look at this all the time and go, oh man, I've got anxiety heading into this. Like I can feel these signals of anxiousness heading into this meeting. I a perfect example that's just coming to my mind right now. A couple of years ago, I was doing a keynote for a um a business coaching group, and they had a big event. There were probably, I don't know, a hundred or two hundred business owners. And I was feeling really, really anxious heading in. I had made this perfect presentation, I had rehearsed it. It was all my genius and my intelligence and magic. I'd rehearsed it, it was perfect. And the day before, I was so stressed. I was snapping at my kids, I was rushing, I get rushy. That's a flight response. I rush around and stomp around and do things fast when I'm feeling really overwhelmed and stressed. And so that's a signal to my family that not that they've done anything wrong, but that actually I'm not okay in that moment and that there's something coming up for me. And one of the things that I do, my husband's used to this now because I speak, I speak to myself a lot. I'm not, I'm speaking to God. But I laid down on the bed and I just said, God, what is like what do I need to know? What do you want to say to me to break off this anxiety? And he said, You're not there to perform. You're treating this like a performance. And the reason you're afraid of their judgment is because you think you have to perform for them. You don't. You just have to be who I created you to be. Because when you when you get yourself out of it, when you be who I created you to be and let me speak through you, the right people are gonna get the right message at the right time.

SPEAKER_02 22:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:21

And literally, I was like, oh man, it just it broke off this need to perform and this need for it to be perfect and this need for it to go a certain way.

Dave Quak 22:29

And it did, it actually lifted it off.

SPEAKER_00 22:31

Totally, completely 100% broke off me. But the next thing that happened, which I think was actually. A bit of a sense of humor thing from God. While I was sitting there, there was a speaker before me, and then I'm preparing to go up. And I heard the words burn it down. And I was like, sorry, what? Burn it down. And so I just I went up and I said to the A V guys, I'm like, um, hey, slight change of plans. I don't think we're going with the presentation that I've given you. And I'm getting on stage in like three minutes. And I said, just trust me. So we had a flip chart and some pens. And I just spoke for like two hours or however long I was speaking that day. I just spoke for two hours. And all these people were crying, they were coming up to me, they were like, oh my gosh. And I had no idea what had just come out of my mouth. I know I could not tell you what I taught on what I spoke about that day. And I was so calm because it wasn't me.

SPEAKER_02 23:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:37

And that was like it's a big lesson in trying to do things my way versus surrendering and letting God do have his way in me for his good. And it's the same therapeutically, right? Like I have so many people say to me, Ash, can you run practitioner training? Because I want to learn how to do what you do. And I'm like, well, I kind of could, but what I can't do is facilitate your relationship with God clinically because this isn't me. I can't heal anyone. I can't fix anyone. I can't do anything other than let God's wisdom actually come through me to know how to meet someone in any given moment and how to lead them closer to him.

Dave Quak 24:20

Yeah. So it's so huge, Ash. Like it's so huge. There's so many questions that I would love to ask if we had that two hours you had on the stage. I would have loved to see you go hard for two hours, by the way. I bet there was no like drink breaks or toilet breaks or anything either. You just went straight through.

Why Groups Rewire Faster Than Solo Work

SPEAKER_00 24:37

Yeah. But so my I run a group program that goes for 10 weeks and the sessions are three hours. So we do it actually goes for a year, but the intensive therapeutic stuff where we do nervous system regulation, we process intergenerational trauma, we do emotional intelligence work, we do identity work, we do all this stuff. And when I say to people the sessions are three hours at a time, they're like, three hours? I don't, I can't even sit down long enough to watch a movie. And without fail, every time people will sit there and go, Oh my gosh, have we been going for three hours? Is this due to finish already?

Dave Quak 25:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

Because the time flies.

Dave Quak 25:17

Yeah. Well, I mean, uh, even the topics you just said you cover in that workshop, like intergenerational trauma and p PTSD and stuff. I I just I suppose I'm going to encourage anyone who's listening who's tried talk therapies and all those things, and God bless it all, but wants to try a bit of a different approach. Ash, what would be the best way? I would say that, you know, one one hour session is not going to be enough. Like, do you do courses in this or what would be the best way for people to start? I th I I think for me, because webmates, I've been able to kind of get a understanding of the framework of the nervous system and how that relates to the soul and body and everything else. But it has taken a while. Because for you, you got to sit in a PhD for how however many years. Do you know what I mean? But for the rest of us that might be still, you know, figuring out even the terminology, where can we send them?

Practical Next Steps And Blessing

SPEAKER_00 26:09

Yeah. Well, it's really interesting, Dave, because I get people who reach out to me saying things like, Oh no, I just want to work one-on-one. Can you work one-on-one? Or, oh no, I I don't want to do group work or whatever. And the thing is understanding the nervous system means that I'm very intentional about everything that I do. When I work one-on-one with someone, we're working in the parts of the brain that are me, myself, and I. The issue with working one-on-one is that we are bypassing the parts of the brain where our social engagement systems live. And so one of the accidental findings of my PhD was I was pregnant with my first child during the data collection phase and I had to run interventions, but I was on a deadline. I couldn't run one-on-one interventions for 12 weeks and then do all the testing. I just I didn't have time. So what I did out of not because I was a genius, just because logistically, this is what I had to do, is I grouped everyone and they had to come in and do all their sessions together. But we found results of neuroplasticity that had never been replicated in the literature. And the only thing that I can put it down to is the one mediating factor of neuroplasticity is dopamine. We can get dopamine either off the back of cortisol, our threat centers, i.e., we need to get a kick, we need to have something to activate us in those threatening situations. But we can also get dopamine off the back of oxytocin, which is our connection to that hormone. And by doing things in a group program, what it did is it activated their social engagement systems in a really health, healthy, and safe way. Which then, I'm assuming, I didn't measure it, but this is my hypothesis, increases oxytocin, which gave them the dopamine their brain needed to reorganize itself. And so when it comes to, for example, one-off trauma, a car accident, uh, an isolated event, uh maybe a threat to physical safety, assault, things like that, that's a that's just an individual experience. That's a me, myself, and I think. So I can do that work one-on-one very effectively and very fast. Like I can help someone to overcome PTSD in a couple of hours. That's it. However, when it comes to relational trauma, when it comes to, you know, growing up in a home where you felt unseen, unheard, unloved, when it when you learned at a young age that you're you relative to others are not enough, or you're too much, or you can't do anything right, or you're not safe, you don't belong. That's social engagement system wounding. And so the only way to heal social engagement system wounding is to give it healthy, safe, relational experiences that activate the social engagement system. I can't do that one-on-one. And so one-on-one can be really, really helpful, but in a group setting for that really, really ideal gold standard intensive work in the relational space, relationship with self and others, the group program is the the gold standard place to do it. But I also acknowledge that there is a significant investment in doing those intensive programs. Like that's a year-long thing. It's 30 hours over 10 weeks for the intensive therapeutic stuff. And then we integrate for a year. So the other thing that I did is I created basically systemized all my processes for a specific issue. So I used the anxiety program earlier as an example. And what I did is I went, okay, so how would I work someone through this? If I had a hundred people, what would my process be? And I systemized it into online courses. So there's videos, there's workbooks, there's everything from how your brain works, the difference between your brain and your mind, how to identify what are the programs and beliefs and emotions and stuff in your own mind that's all led through the course. But then we have community on the back end to catch you so that then you can actually show up and share and be a part of something. So those online courses are as little as 11 US dollars a week. Like they're they're so accessible globally if you speak English. Because not everyone has the capacity financially or even time-wise to do a big intensive program. So look, the starting point is dependent on where where people are at, what they need out of it. But ultimately, the best place to start is just to reach out to us and we can uh at Remind to partner with you to figure out what your best step is and that's cool.

Dave Quak 30:58

Yeah, Remind Institute. You'll if you Google it, you'll find that it's R E slash M I N D in capitals. Oh not hyphen, what do you call it? Not slash that thing. The fallen over slash, the hyphen. But I'll put all the show notes. Yeah, that's it. I'll put all the links and everything in the show notes.

SPEAKER_00 31:14

And then I guess the other place, Dave, is we've got um I run a free group. It's called Cycle Breakers. It's Cycle Breakers Emotional and Relational Mastery that's on Facebook. And I teach in there for free every single week. Um, we have a pattern of brain training around, you know, I what are your three things you're grateful for today? What's your one-word intention for the week? Like it's really helping people to frame their mind more positively to be looking at the world and their life differently, and that's free to be free and that's cool. Yeah.

Dave Quak 31:47

Yeah. Ash, it's a tease because I've had to cut back the podcast to half an hour, and there's no way on earth I think you've ever spoken as short as half an hour in your whole life. I know. And I'm an I'm I say that with all the love and endearment in the world. I respect you so much. If you have gotten anything out of this chat, I strongly recommend stalk Dr. Ash Morland on Facebook and everything else, because her stuff is quality and it works. I mean, I'll be honest, since this is a vulnerable podcast, she's helping me with some stuff at the moment in my own well-being, and it's working, it's helping. And so I would never get anyone on Sunburnt Souls that we didn't 100% back and believe in. So if you want to catch up with her, mate, she's awesome. And um, yeah, I don't know, Ash. I suppose the only question I have is can you maybe drop your last pearl of wisdom on us and um pray for us as we're finished for today?

SPEAKER_00 32:44

Absolutely. So I would say the biggest thing that my journey in my own healing and in supporting others in theirs has taught me is that who we are today in our dysfunction, in our chronic, you know, nervous system dysregulation and behavioral dysfunctions and vulnerabilities and all that stuff, is who we had to become. It's who we adapted to become in order to survive, in order to be liked, in order to be enough, in order to be good enough. But it's not who God created us to be, it's who we adapted ourselves to become because of the world and the experiences that we had, our family of origin and everything else. So I would say my last little pearl is entering a journey of unbecoming who you had to become to be enough or who you thought you had to become. And actually coming home to who God created you to be is going to be the most liberating, freeing experience of your life because only then can you actually fulfill the purpose and calling upon your life.

Dave Quak 33:51

I like that. Yeah, I like that. Dr. Ash, thank you, my friend. Um, prayers out of here, and we have been blessed by your company. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 34:01

Thank you. Oh, Heavenly Father, I thank you for this opportunity to chat with Dave and chat so openly and just to bless the people listening with some new revelations that they might not have come across or might not have experienced before. And Lord, I just pray that anyone who's listening has felt really seen and witnessed and understood in our conversation today. And I just pray that everyone who is listening and beyond, Lord, that we as humanity can start to see ourselves the way that you see us, that we can start to love ourselves the way that you love us, because only then can we start to love others the way that you truly love them as well. Thank you, Lord. Bless us and send us on our way. Amen.

Dave Quak 34:44

Amen.